indeed sometimes its also that the mods are lazy or the forum attracts a different crowd then what the forum owner wanted, a perfect example of this is the stencyl forum, which is a terrible forum, its about how people who dont know scripting and cant afford to buy game creators are the ones with the best ideas and will benifit when stecyl comes out (stencyl is a free game creator) but all the users on the forum (or the ones you see around more) all know how do do scripting, are flash at anything to do with game creating and when someone comes along who isnt as flash, they put that person down, and the mods dont do a thing about it.